OK, OK, I know we probably will not get into chapter two this week. But I want you to go ahead and start reading chapter two. You can post your comment s here.
Simply reading verses 1-16 of chapter 2 shows that there is a lot in a few verses. God's judgement is a very huge topic. but the question i have is on verses 7-8 :
7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
verse 7 talks about seeking glory honor and immortality.. arent these things which we should turn from? when we do good yes we should seek after God's blessing for the good things we have done.. but yet shouldnt we feel humbled more than these which are written above?
Please need help understanding this concept. Comments welcome!
Brittaney is have trouble getting her comments posted so I am putting this in for her.
Wow!! I just started reading Romans Ch. 2 Verses 1-4 and I didn't know until after reading this that by judging someone, you condemn yourself. I really like Romans 2:11, because it is talking about the Jews and the Greeks receiving punishment and honor, it says that "There is no favirotism with God." At first I didn't understand why this was said, but when I looked down to one of my footnotes it said this "Jews are presuming upon the mercy of God, taking his kindness as a sign of their immunity from judgment(when in fact such kindness was meant to lead them to change their lives, not to serve as an excuse for continued sinning." God does not favor the Jew over the Greek or vice versa, but he treats everyone equally. Meaning everyone has equal judgement, even the preacher and the murderer.
Remember that the point of Pauls openning argument in this chapter is that we are all subject to God's judgment. Even those that try to pass judgment on others are guilty of much of the same things that they accuse others of. Do not take this too far but we are all judged according to our deeds. MacArthur says about this verse that "true salvation is manifested in a believer's perseverance in doing good, and the highest good he can do is seek for glory, and honor and immortality." He goes on to say that this is more a seeking for God's glory, seeking honor that comes from God [well done my good and faithful servant], and immortality in the form of eternal life. Now we know that no one truly seeks after this in a perfect way. Thus his argument will continue that justification before God cannot come by our own deeds but grace afforded us through the cross. However, MacArthur's point is still sound. One that has experienced true salvation will have a heart for these things.
The bible is clear that we are to never try and judge someone's heart. However, through the leading of Scripture we can and should identify sin. But when we show the copasity to identify sin, we must acknowledge the sin in our own lives. This is why Paul says by judging someone else you condemn yourself. Therefore, our first responce to any convicting word in the Bible should be is there something in me that must be repented of. Look at Isaiah 6.5. Isaiah first confesses his own sin before he acknowledges the sin of his people. That is how we should be.
I noticed something new in verse 5. It seems that Paul is saying that God is holding back His wrath [punishing wrath] right now so that people will come to faith. But for those that refuse, wrath is being stored up for the day of judgement. Concidering our discussion on suffering, this seems to confirm the idea that God is not sending "storms" in this world to punish evil-doers. But He is storing up His wrath for the day of judgment.
We spent a good bit of time looking at Gen 3:15. But after that we got into Rom 2.1-16. However we really just stayed in the first 11 verses. You want to reember that Paul is now building a case against all humanity. He starts here with the non-believing moralist. And basically says that if you have the copacity to identify sin in other people's lives you should be able to do the same in your own. Therefore you condemn yourself. Therefore, we do not need to spend our time pointing out other people's problems [no matter how much fun it may be] but identifying and repenting of the sin in our own lives.
We will hopefully get through the rest of chapter two this Sunday. However, verses 13-16 will take some discusion. What do you think it means when Paul says that "gentiles who do not have the Law do, instinctively the things of the Law, these not having the Law, are a law to themselves"? And Oh Man, what do we do with 15 & 16.
Simply reading verses 1-16 of chapter 2 shows that there is a lot in a few verses. God's judgement is a very huge topic. but the question i have is on verses 7-8 :
ReplyDelete7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
verse 7 talks about seeking glory honor and immortality.. arent these things which we should turn from? when we do good yes we should seek after God's blessing for the good things we have done.. but yet shouldnt we feel humbled more than these which are written above?
Please need help understanding this concept. Comments welcome!
Brittaney is have trouble getting her comments posted so I am putting this in for her.
ReplyDeleteWow!! I just started reading Romans Ch. 2 Verses 1-4 and I didn't know until after reading this that by judging someone, you condemn yourself. I really like Romans 2:11, because it is talking about the Jews and the Greeks receiving punishment and honor, it says that "There is no favirotism with God." At first I didn't understand why this was said, but when I looked down to one of my footnotes it said this "Jews are presuming upon the mercy of God, taking his kindness as a sign of their immunity from judgment(when in fact such kindness was meant to lead them to change their lives, not to serve as an excuse for continued sinning." God does not favor the Jew over the Greek or vice versa, but he treats everyone equally. Meaning everyone has equal judgement, even the preacher and the murderer.
--Brittaney Fisher
Remember that the point of Pauls openning argument in this chapter is that we are all subject to God's judgment. Even those that try to pass judgment on others are guilty of much of the same things that they accuse others of. Do not take this too far but we are all judged according to our deeds. MacArthur says about this verse that "true salvation is manifested in a believer's perseverance in doing good, and the highest good he can do is seek for glory, and honor and immortality." He goes on to say that this is more a seeking for God's glory, seeking honor that comes from God [well done my good and faithful servant], and immortality in the form of eternal life. Now we know that no one truly seeks after this in a perfect way. Thus his argument will continue that justification before God cannot come by our own deeds but grace afforded us through the cross. However, MacArthur's point is still sound. One that has experienced true salvation will have a heart for these things.
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Brittaney,
ReplyDeleteThe bible is clear that we are to never try and judge someone's heart. However, through the leading of Scripture we can and should identify sin. But when we show the copasity to identify sin, we must acknowledge the sin in our own lives. This is why Paul says by judging someone else you condemn yourself. Therefore, our first responce to any convicting word in the Bible should be is there something in me that must be repented of. Look at Isaiah 6.5. Isaiah first confesses his own sin before he acknowledges the sin of his people. That is how we should be.
I noticed something new in verse 5. It seems that Paul is saying that God is holding back His wrath [punishing wrath] right now so that people will come to faith. But for those that refuse, wrath is being stored up for the day of judgement. Concidering our discussion on suffering, this seems to confirm the idea that God is not sending "storms" in this world to punish evil-doers. But He is storing up His wrath for the day of judgment.
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So what did you guys discuss this week so i can read ahead? :)
ReplyDeleteWe spent a good bit of time looking at Gen 3:15. But after that we got into Rom 2.1-16. However we really just stayed in the first 11 verses. You want to reember that Paul is now building a case against all humanity. He starts here with the non-believing moralist. And basically says that if you have the copacity to identify sin in other people's lives you should be able to do the same in your own. Therefore you condemn yourself. Therefore, we do not need to spend our time pointing out other people's problems [no matter how much fun it may be] but identifying and repenting of the sin in our own lives.
ReplyDeleteWe will hopefully get through the rest of chapter two this Sunday. However, verses 13-16 will take some discusion. What do you think it means when Paul says that "gentiles who do not have the Law do, instinctively the things of the Law, these not having the Law, are a law to themselves"? And Oh Man, what do we do with 15 & 16.
Looking for your thoughts;
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